The Timbers are winless in seven, and they head to North Carolina to face Charlotte FC for the first time. Can Portland get a win against old friends Bill Tuiloma and Miles Joseph? No clue. But the match thread is here anyway!
Damn! I didn't watch the game because I have been sick and tired of being sick and tired watching this team. The last 5 years has just been some of the worst soccer to watch and that includes the 2011 team. Looking at the comments, it looks like I'm the only winner by not watching the game. (I have only missed 9 games since 2011)
I really do think it's time to boycott mp being the owner of this team. Between the off field disasters and the consistent on field disaster, the only variable is mp. It's time to go. We fans deserve better.
They’re consistently on Ion (now), it’s just that I use Hulu for my live tv and they don’t carry Ion, so I have to use the Tubi app on my smart tv (which is a free app).
Week after week I just think about whoever it was in here that told me to shut up because I said Phil was gonna be trash and some of us knew it as soon as we announced him. Every week I feel a little more vindicated 😂
I recall people being pretty bent when they announced Neville's hiring. Seemed to be the consensus that he has too much baggage and a terrible record. I certainly don't want to feel vindicated, but here we are! Let's see what happens if PTFC continues this streak through the home game v Seattle... the next couple of games could see us plummet to the very bottom of the table. ...
Continuing to watch this team is an act of dedication they do not deserve. When they don't have Evander they may well be the most boring team in the world. It's hard to know what's up with Neville but what's for sure is that this roster is a disaster. There may not be a coach who can overcome it. There's just no mesh to this team.
Hey that 2015 Cup squad had a great back line. Of course Eidgy and Borchers was just a solid pairing. After that, age took its toll. And GW blew it on player acquisition.
Guess Dean Smith showed Phil who's the best English coach in the league! Don't know where to start with the defense except to say that it might have been below AYSO standard. Actually, the entire team looked below AYSO.
My advice is to go watch highlights of Ipswich getting promoted as a palate cleanser. Go get reminded of how inspiring this game can be as this is clearly going to be a soul-crushing season
I saw that there were back to back NWSL games on the TV and I used that to cleanse my mental palate and help me feel like there's hope in the world after all.
Or watch Haji Wright and Coventry. Or Josh Sargent with Norwich. Both teams chasing promotion though Norwich still has a shot. And didn't we think last season was a soul crusher? Can't believe we have to go through this stuff again.
In a season that’s chock full of ugliness, I think this game is the ugliest yet. Nothing on offense, no cohesive possession, and combined with some standard unthinkably awful defending. Timber’s ownership and management should be ashamed but I’m afraid they really don’t care.
Does Neville want to win the wooden spoon? It's obviously a trophy he hasn't won yet. Or maybe he wants a top 5 draft picknext season. We need someone from this site or an Oregonian reporter (probably unlikely) to inquire.
When I see all of their players bunched together in a wall and just to the side of the wall, I would try a diagonal pass into open space for a point-blank blast. Especially when the free kick is that close - too hard to get it up and down over the wall.
So I heard Piojo might be available soon. He's nuts and choking and walkie talking incidents aside, he's actually a decent coach. At least his Timbers wouldn't be like the Old Timbers. All we've done is trade the old boss for a newer boss, just a shinier version. They both suck, of course. Not the coach upgrade we had in mind, eh?
I don't recall hearing anyone think this was an upgrade. I'm just curious to see what happens if PTFC bottoms out and remains at the bottom of the table all season.
I was angry when they announced it and I'm angrier by the week, mostly because I know we're stuck with him for at least a season and probably two. They're not going to cut bait on him this early, and even if they miss the playoffs again they'll probably at least let him have this winter to plan another start to a season before they make a decision. Which means this is who the Timbers are now.
We could give him next season, sure. Question is if we cut him loose before his contract ends, what's the $$$ owed for early gtermination? His agent would be stupid not to put in some kind of clause if we cut him loose prematurely.
Just more money down the drain. I still think maybe NG needs to also walk the plank. But how much say he had compared to MP??
Yeah, pretty sure the Timbers would owe him either his full contract or a significant buyout. MP can afford it. I'd be leery of firing a coach and GM at the same time, honestly, there's enough chaos replacing one and this team needs at least a little stability at some point.
I am so over Williamson... Have been a supporter of his since he was on T2, but his give aways and then just watching after he loses the ball is bush league... ship him out.
Zac McGraw has regressed so much I would check to see if he has been making some $$ on the betting sites.
I've always been a McGraw supporter, but wow, his one-on-one defending is shambolic. Almost as if he needs to go back to school and learn how to defend. Looks like he is implementing the matador method.
I think the Timbers would fit in just fine with Nisa or NPSL. We can have a rivalry with PDX FC. Villafana and Valeri are on the coaching staff over there so it'll be a reunion parrty.
THAT'S IT!!!!! Timbers should play in energy domes and yellow jumpsuits. That would solve so many problems. At least the problem of "this isn't fun to watch".
We should be down two. We have four starters out and Zuparic in who hasn’t been around. We are just throwing balls downfield hoping for someone to run under it. Williamson, who has skills, playing 10 doesn’t touch or want the ball so we can’t control or get the ball out of our midfield. Damn, why did I spoil myself with that premier league game?
Andreas is right. Change our name to Dodged A Bullet FC. Can't believe we escaped the half without being down several goals. We're also part of some dubious history...the new rule that states the refs have to make the VAR announcement in stadium and on air actually went into effect today. Already happened in the Orlando game, at least. According to the mls reddit forum.
I saw it in a couple games last week too, so it's been happening for a couple weeks I think. Either way I'm happy for the transparency. I'm also happy that they have introduced the anti time-wasting rules around substitutions and injuries, too.
No off ball movement in the middle, we play best when Ayala, Paredes, and Williamson are on the ball in space, but they aren’t moving around enough. More movement, more energy, less long balls. We’re lucky Charlotte isn’t that good otherwise we’d be losing, they’ve gotten in behind too much
About half way through last night's game I thought to myself: it took a while, but this is finally starting to feel like Phil Neville's team.
I live in Charlotte now, and it was as embarrassing in person as it was on TV. Waited 3 years to see them play here and it was horrible.
Damn! I didn't watch the game because I have been sick and tired of being sick and tired watching this team. The last 5 years has just been some of the worst soccer to watch and that includes the 2011 team. Looking at the comments, it looks like I'm the only winner by not watching the game. (I have only missed 9 games since 2011)
I really do think it's time to boycott mp being the owner of this team. Between the off field disasters and the consistent on field disaster, the only variable is mp. It's time to go. We fans deserve better.
Well, I’m going to hit the movies to try and get this game out of my head. Just terrible
Thorns are about to kick off, if you want to see a Portland team that understands how to pass
Some day I'll remember I can get ION via my Roku box...
Admittedly it’s a little clunky. I use Tubi for Ion
I look forward to the day when NWSL games are on a single, readily available platform
They’re consistently on Ion (now), it’s just that I use Hulu for my live tv and they don’t carry Ion, so I have to use the Tubi app on my smart tv (which is a free app).
Well, I have a dumb TV with no cable / streaming service and I get Ion "over-the-air" with just a simple antenna. Great connection/reception, too.
Week after week I just think about whoever it was in here that told me to shut up because I said Phil was gonna be trash and some of us knew it as soon as we announced him. Every week I feel a little more vindicated 😂
I recall people being pretty bent when they announced Neville's hiring. Seemed to be the consensus that he has too much baggage and a terrible record. I certainly don't want to feel vindicated, but here we are! Let's see what happens if PTFC continues this streak through the home game v Seattle... the next couple of games could see us plummet to the very bottom of the table. ...
Continuing to watch this team is an act of dedication they do not deserve. When they don't have Evander they may well be the most boring team in the world. It's hard to know what's up with Neville but what's for sure is that this roster is a disaster. There may not be a coach who can overcome it. There's just no mesh to this team.
I was actually starting to root for Charlotte, felt like the home crowd deserved a win more than PTFC to be honest
Mind boggling that since its inception a team has never figured out its defense.
Hey that 2015 Cup squad had a great back line. Of course Eidgy and Borchers was just a solid pairing. After that, age took its toll. And GW blew it on player acquisition.
Guess Dean Smith showed Phil who's the best English coach in the league! Don't know where to start with the defense except to say that it might have been below AYSO standard. Actually, the entire team looked below AYSO.
How can a 6’4”, 180lb player dribble through our mid-field and back line and get that close to goal?
My advice is to go watch highlights of Ipswich getting promoted as a palate cleanser. Go get reminded of how inspiring this game can be as this is clearly going to be a soul-crushing season
I saw that there were back to back NWSL games on the TV and I used that to cleanse my mental palate and help me feel like there's hope in the world after all.
Or watch Haji Wright and Coventry. Or Josh Sargent with Norwich. Both teams chasing promotion though Norwich still has a shot. And didn't we think last season was a soul crusher? Can't believe we have to go through this stuff again.
I’m going to chock that up to Charlotte’s elite roster…
In a season that’s chock full of ugliness, I think this game is the ugliest yet. Nothing on offense, no cohesive possession, and combined with some standard unthinkably awful defending. Timber’s ownership and management should be ashamed but I’m afraid they really don’t care.
that game was brutal.
Our passing is horrific.
It was shocking to see that we had more passing and better accuracy in those final stats
Has been all season. Tonight is just exceptionally bad with no Chará or Evander on the pitch.
Does Neville want to win the wooden spoon? It's obviously a trophy he hasn't won yet. Or maybe he wants a top 5 draft picknext season. We need someone from this site or an Oregonian reporter (probably unlikely) to inquire.
I don't think Neville wants to win anything, from the looks of it
The upside is with McGraw and Miller being defensive liabilities, Timbers don't need to worry about them being called up for the CMNT...
That would be addition by subtraction for the Canucks!
So that's nine points in eleven matches for the Timbers this season, and giving up 2+ goals in each of the last seven matches.
Looking good Phil!
Actually 10 pts, so yay?
Yep, I got that wrong. But still nothing to brag about:
Timbers MLS full-time managers through their first 11 matches:
Spencer: 1.54 PPM
Porter: 1.63 PPM
Savarese: 1.82 PPM
Neville: 0.91 PPM
(also, Joseph: 1.7 PPM - 10 matches)
We're on our way to being out of the playoff race by July at my most optimistic guess. So yeah, this bud's for you?
Max is probably regretting coming to a team with no back line
Empty stadium FC sticking to the Timbers.
to be fair, that's a 60k capacity stadium
Wow. What was that throw in
Heck, that throw-in should basically count as an assist smh
The scoreline is very flattering to us.
Fixed that for you
Not anymore.
Fixed it for ya....
Not any more!
The substitution decisions have not made sense other than of course Zupa for Araujo. Not sure what Neville is thinking?
No need to isolate this comment to a single game, friend 😂
More what does he have?
Yellow card for that mullet
Wasted chances FC
When I see all of their players bunched together in a wall and just to the side of the wall, I would try a diagonal pass into open space for a point-blank blast. Especially when the free kick is that close - too hard to get it up and down over the wall.
Hey look, ref finally called one in our favor!
Moreno having a nice game.
Bravo was limping, I hope he’s not injured…
If you put these two kits together you'd have a nice Easter egg basket.
No one is stepping up for Portland. Missing a clear pitch leader tonight.
Nice of the Timbers to put some road cones out for Charlotte to dodge on their way to that goal
Maybe ODOT will be our next kit sponsor....
This ref is ridiculous
So I heard Piojo might be available soon. He's nuts and choking and walkie talking incidents aside, he's actually a decent coach. At least his Timbers wouldn't be like the Old Timbers. All we've done is trade the old boss for a newer boss, just a shinier version. They both suck, of course. Not the coach upgrade we had in mind, eh?
I don't recall hearing anyone think this was an upgrade. I'm just curious to see what happens if PTFC bottoms out and remains at the bottom of the table all season.
I didn’t think it was an upgrade when they announced it. Wasn’t happy then. Not particularly happy now.
On the old site we certainly had several threads regarding his hiring. I think just about all of us were underwhelmed. In capital letter.
I was angry when they announced it and I'm angrier by the week, mostly because I know we're stuck with him for at least a season and probably two. They're not going to cut bait on him this early, and even if they miss the playoffs again they'll probably at least let him have this winter to plan another start to a season before they make a decision. Which means this is who the Timbers are now.
We could give him next season, sure. Question is if we cut him loose before his contract ends, what's the $$$ owed for early gtermination? His agent would be stupid not to put in some kind of clause if we cut him loose prematurely.
Just more money down the drain. I still think maybe NG needs to also walk the plank. But how much say he had compared to MP??
Yeah, pretty sure the Timbers would owe him either his full contract or a significant buyout. MP can afford it. I'd be leery of firing a coach and GM at the same time, honestly, there's enough chaos replacing one and this team needs at least a little stability at some point.
We are not covering ourselves in glory but this ref is bad.
Great shot by Paredes. I've always felt he's one of our most unappreciated players.
Boring game, poor cohesion, bad result. Not much to like, honestly.
Williamson just isn’t a 10. He’s so much better deeper, we see now he’s getting on the ball more and progressing play
Problem is he sucks at defense. But I agree with you. We miss Evander today.
I am so over Williamson... Have been a supporter of his since he was on T2, but his give aways and then just watching after he loses the ball is bush league... ship him out.
Zac McGraw has regressed so much I would check to see if he has been making some $$ on the betting sites.
Just awful soccer all around.
Same re EW. Reluctantly agree.
At least our chants are better than their endless repetition....
I've always been a McGraw supporter, but wow, his one-on-one defending is shambolic. Almost as if he needs to go back to school and learn how to defend. Looks like he is implementing the matador method.
At least the matador occasionally gets in the way of the bull
I think the Timbers would fit in just fine with Nisa or NPSL. We can have a rivalry with PDX FC. Villafana and Valeri are on the coaching staff over there so it'll be a reunion parrty.
If you let an opponent play around endlessly in front of your goal and don’t challenge anyone. They will score eventually.
So you noticed the 1v1? The 2 being our guys failing to play basic defense?
No possession, no counter-attack. This is just an ugly game from PTFC. But ugly in a different way than the most of the season.
Soooooo...they're evolving? Hooray?
sigh I don't even know any more
Devolving, I’d say. Which is great if you’re DEVO but not so great otherwise.
THAT'S IT!!!!! Timbers should play in energy domes and yellow jumpsuits. That would solve so many problems. At least the problem of "this isn't fun to watch".
Seconded. I can't get no satisfaction otherwise.
I mean, yellow is a team color. Come on, Adidas, let's see that third kit!
SWIWS!
I take back what I’ve been saying about McGraw, he’s definitely taken a huge step back. No confidence
You have to wonder what happened? Did that Canada call up go to this head? Ruin him? Yeah, just a complete reversal. And not in a positive direction.
Thanks for coming round. Now we need Zac to shake off whatever's plaguing him and come around to last year's form.
It's so weird. What happened to him? Just psyched out?
Spank!
Not surprised at all sad to say
Such fun defending!
How was that not a yellow for Malanda's foul on Eryk?
We should be down two. We have four starters out and Zuparic in who hasn’t been around. We are just throwing balls downfield hoping for someone to run under it. Williamson, who has skills, playing 10 doesn’t touch or want the ball so we can’t control or get the ball out of our midfield. Damn, why did I spoil myself with that premier league game?
Not that you're wrong but, like, you're just now noticing the gulf in talent there? hahaha
It's the gulf of effort that is getting to me.... Just compete.
A classic mistake!
Andreas is right. Change our name to Dodged A Bullet FC. Can't believe we escaped the half without being down several goals. We're also part of some dubious history...the new rule that states the refs have to make the VAR announcement in stadium and on air actually went into effect today. Already happened in the Orlando game, at least. According to the mls reddit forum.
I saw it in a couple games last week too, so it's been happening for a couple weeks I think. Either way I'm happy for the transparency. I'm also happy that they have introduced the anti time-wasting rules around substitutions and injuries, too.
No Chara + no Evander = no connectivity. Looks like pick up soccer, standing and watching the guy with the ball.
No off ball movement in the middle, we play best when Ayala, Paredes, and Williamson are on the ball in space, but they aren’t moving around enough. More movement, more energy, less long balls. We’re lucky Charlotte isn’t that good otherwise we’d be losing, they’ve gotten in behind too much
Pro makes the right call?? Be still my beating heart!