Nursing a three-game shutout streak, the Timbers are back at home to face the Chicago Fire. Need a place to chat through it? Come tap into the discussion thread!
Evander, Boli, and Moreno plus Asprilla or Y Chara on the side should be scoring goals. We’ve scored three in seven. We actually have the attacking talent that has been missing the last couple years. It’s clear Gio has one idea: counter.
I wanted to see Gio with attacking talent. We haven’t had it adequately since Brian Fernandez flamed out. Frankly, in myopinion Gio did quite a bit of overachieving with fairly unimpressive rosters.
That has totally flipped. The roster isn’t where it should be, but the attacking talent is there now. But we’re performing like shit. Worst of all there is no imagination or attractiveness that I hoped would come along with guys like Evander and a developed Moreno.
I'm not sure how you can say that about Gio. You honestly believe our team's manager has had zero input in who we sign since 2019? That's preposterous. If true, all the more reason why Grabavoy needs to go. But also if true, Gio obviously doesn't understand how to fields a team without his preferred 11. If a manager can't work around injuries and call ups, what good is he? MLS is a very parity league, all teams dream with this.
We should probably discuss this on the ppost-match thread - I really should participate more on those threads - but with Messi's arrival, wonder if the league might attact a stronger pool of coaching candidates? Like who could we attact with a broad coaching search?
You have to wonder if they fired Neville because they were going to get Messi. Maybe Leo said "Phil goes or I don't come". Maybe the coach won't be Tata. But whoever it is will not be a tactical dummy like Gio.
Pathetic. It breaks my heart to see the depths to which we’ve sunk. I think it’s time to hit reset and replace the entire coaching staff, there’s potential in some of these players but it’s barely being tapped. We’re seeing glimpses of what could be, but it’s just not happening, so very frustrating.
If it was me, I'd fire Gio in the tunnel. Or maybe fire him tomorrow morning and then issue the pr release. And while you're at it, sack Grabavoy. This team - plus the fans - need a reboot.
Rather hire Callaghan. Actually go international. We shouldn't seel Evander quite yet. A new coach could work with him. Everything else, I agree with. Plus fire everyone in the GO, including Grabavoy. Fire the academy staff except for the guy who won GEN AD cup. Also get rid of the T2 coach. And finally, sell the team to owner r/owners with ambition and money.
Callaghan is not the guy. The fact you are using his two....TWO! games of experience as a head coach to hire him shows that it is a hot take.
Vargas has experience implementing a system within a national team system, that is extremely time consuming but he has done it in a year with limited camps. That just shows his quality. It means he is very good at explaining his system in a clear and simple way. And that system is better than anything we have ever played. You are praising Callaghan for calling a lineup. But no way in hell can a coach train and implement a system in a month. That means you didn't see his system. What you saw was him putting out his best 11 and letting them play what they have already done under GGG. YOU CANNOT IMPLEMENT A SYSTEM IN A MONTH WITH A TWO WEEK TRAINING CAMP. You can't.
It's already been said. By many international coaches that it's hard to implement a system quickly in the international game. Even scally said that he hopes they bring in a coach that just let's them play and makes it simple. Cause playing for your country is enough to motivate and push the players. Not a complex style.
As for Evander. He is not a 10. He is a good 8. That's it. He is not fast. He is not clinical in front of goal. He is an assist guy. I said this before we signed him. His speed is a 6. His ball control is an 8. His vision is a 7. His finishing is a 6. His touch is a 7. He will never be a Valeri or blanco on the offensive side if the ball. He will never be a muhktar. He is highly overrated. And unless you are going to put out a front 3 that are equal or better than his ability, he becomes a overpaid 8.
You do realize he played as an 8 in Europe right? That's the position he always played. WE are playing him as a "10" because we want to make him the next "valeri" which is what everyone was asking for. Square peg round hole.
His instinct seems to be to hold up and pass/connect... Coaching might expect something else, but I think I see it. That doesn't bode well for our typical tactics of spray-and-pray, and counters. Without support, he is on an island. That has to be frustrating for the player.
Yeah, I can see it in his body language. As a matter of fact, even the commentator for the game said he could see Evander getting frustrated with his teammates. And that was 15 minutes into the game. So you can tell it is a lingering feeling. I asked this question early in the season. Does anyone else think that Evander is regretting coming to mls? Cause his body language on the ball says he does. Like he didn't realize that the Talent around him was going to be so poor. I was saying this to my gf. "Evander is not a 10. He is not a Valeri replacement. I knew exactly what his strengths and weaknesses were before joining is and I wasn't high on them trying to make him a 10. He is a player that needs talented attackers in front of him for his strengths to shine. Maintaining possession and creating opportunities for others to score. But this isn't Europe. We have a salary cap. Meaning he doesn't have the talent in front of him to have his strengths shine." End quote.
Valeri and blanco could make individual magic happen in their prime. They weren't reliant on others to score goals. Evander is. He isn't a scorer, he is an assist machine but we don't have the talent to finish and we don't have one player with individual magic ability like prime Valeri and blanco. We are far from it.
Yeah, it is a hot take. But BJ was put in a tough spot and actually shown something over two matches that's he not just an assistant. As for Vargas, he's never coached senior ball, period. I don't want a guy who has only coaches youth level. Personally, I want a coach that has nothingto do with Grabavoy or anyboy in this organization. We need a fresh start.
The only thing that matters between the youth and senior teams is the psychological side of the game and how that translates to the egos of the adult players. That is the only thing I would worry about with him as coach. In the youth game you don't have the big ego's. So can you handle the older players and pre-maddonas. But let's put it this way cause that seemed to be your argument against vargas. He coaches a youth team. Didn't Caleb porter also coach "youth" players before becoming our coach and winning us a championship is 2015?
Re: Porter. He got fired from Col. He's like Kreis - the league has passed him by. Honestly, do you think Porter could survive in MLS today? Look, I like Varas but youth football is not the same as senior level. I do not want to have a manager in training. It is one thing to learn abot league rules and the travel demands, etc. Quite another to go from coaching youth to adults. I do think you are unestimated youth vs senior football. But we can agree to disagree.
Porter won a championship with Columbus. Porter got fired because of results and mostly his attitude. There are plenty of coaches still in the league that have been fired from teams and find another and succeed. Coaches that have never won 2 championships like porter. I fail to understand your argument.
Honestly a draw would have been as bad as this loss. We need 3 pts. from almost every game. We're really going to leak goals whem McGraw leaves. Bottom of table finish more likely than playoffs at this point.
I thought we had escaped the wooden spon. But unless we get draws/wins while he's away, I'm afraid we're back in contention. Transfer window opens July 5. That cb better sign right on that day and play like immediately.
I think Bingham is showing us more and more why he's not only a backup but why he's also better appreciated when he only plays in small doses. This game is one too many games that I want to see him play.
Hey Gio if we're in search of points, then why bring on Goda? Since when has the guy scored all thse goals that we're looking for when he was a regular starter? If we're playing our best football, explain last week's "thriller" against SJ? "Playing our best" - I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Oh goodness, Bingham. Gotta learn to catch the ball. You can tell why he's a backup in this league. Lacks athleticism and inconsistent decision making.
Evander, Boli, and Moreno plus Asprilla or Y Chara on the side should be scoring goals. We’ve scored three in seven. We actually have the attacking talent that has been missing the last couple years. It’s clear Gio has one idea: counter.
This sucks. We suck.
Change something.
You actually thought Gio was tactically flexible? You ready to fire Gio? Has this loss started you on the Kublr Ross scale of grief?
I wanted to see Gio with attacking talent. We haven’t had it adequately since Brian Fernandez flamed out. Frankly, in myopinion Gio did quite a bit of overachieving with fairly unimpressive rosters.
That has totally flipped. The roster isn’t where it should be, but the attacking talent is there now. But we’re performing like shit. Worst of all there is no imagination or attractiveness that I hoped would come along with guys like Evander and a developed Moreno.
I'm not sure how you can say that about Gio. You honestly believe our team's manager has had zero input in who we sign since 2019? That's preposterous. If true, all the more reason why Grabavoy needs to go. But also if true, Gio obviously doesn't understand how to fields a team without his preferred 11. If a manager can't work around injuries and call ups, what good is he? MLS is a very parity league, all teams dream with this.
We were hamstrung financially after the Fernandez debacle.
And he did work around injuries and other limitations. Two finals in four years is impressive.
But I think Gio’s usefulness is exhausted at this point. We need a coach with bigger more attractive ideas.
We should probably discuss this on the ppost-match thread - I really should participate more on those threads - but with Messi's arrival, wonder if the league might attact a stronger pool of coaching candidates? Like who could we attact with a broad coaching search?
I feel like signing Messi was just as dependent on hiring Martino as money, etc, why would he suffer a second rate manager?
You have to wonder if they fired Neville because they were going to get Messi. Maybe Leo said "Phil goes or I don't come". Maybe the coach won't be Tata. But whoever it is will not be a tactical dummy like Gio.
Pathetic. It breaks my heart to see the depths to which we’ve sunk. I think it’s time to hit reset and replace the entire coaching staff, there’s potential in some of these players but it’s barely being tapped. We’re seeing glimpses of what could be, but it’s just not happening, so very frustrating.
Can't wait to hear about the "positives" and how we were the better team. Holy hell.
If it was me, I'd fire Gio in the tunnel. Or maybe fire him tomorrow morning and then issue the pr release. And while you're at it, sack Grabavoy. This team - plus the fans - need a reboot.
Devastating. This is a fucking disaster.
Depantsed at home by a shit team.
Fuck.
This is a hard team to love. The ref was awful but how many blown opportunities did this terrible team kick to the curb.
We out-sucked Chicago. I didn’t think it was possible
Disaster Class. Awful.
Welcome to my nightmare
When you absolutely, positively need a goal, bench Boli.
Horrible product all the way around.
I know the ref was horrible but how is this not on Gio.
Gio called this a must win. What does he say in post game? Prob will lamely blame reffing.
Needs to blame himself and quit.
5 minutes lol. This is some rec league reffing.
We lost this game humiliatingly all on our own. But these refs are atrocious.
Hey MP (cause I know you are on here) contact me so I can fix my club.
Sell:
Loria
Bonilla
Evander
Asprilla
Release:
Mora
Let go:
Blanco
Mabiala
Nieazgoda
Fire:
Gio
Gio staff
Physical trainers
Hire:
Mikey vargas
Signings to come with research
Get rid of Rasmussen while you're at it.
Rather hire Callaghan. Actually go international. We shouldn't seel Evander quite yet. A new coach could work with him. Everything else, I agree with. Plus fire everyone in the GO, including Grabavoy. Fire the academy staff except for the guy who won GEN AD cup. Also get rid of the T2 coach. And finally, sell the team to owner r/owners with ambition and money.
Callaghan is not the guy. The fact you are using his two....TWO! games of experience as a head coach to hire him shows that it is a hot take.
Vargas has experience implementing a system within a national team system, that is extremely time consuming but he has done it in a year with limited camps. That just shows his quality. It means he is very good at explaining his system in a clear and simple way. And that system is better than anything we have ever played. You are praising Callaghan for calling a lineup. But no way in hell can a coach train and implement a system in a month. That means you didn't see his system. What you saw was him putting out his best 11 and letting them play what they have already done under GGG. YOU CANNOT IMPLEMENT A SYSTEM IN A MONTH WITH A TWO WEEK TRAINING CAMP. You can't.
It's already been said. By many international coaches that it's hard to implement a system quickly in the international game. Even scally said that he hopes they bring in a coach that just let's them play and makes it simple. Cause playing for your country is enough to motivate and push the players. Not a complex style.
As for Evander. He is not a 10. He is a good 8. That's it. He is not fast. He is not clinical in front of goal. He is an assist guy. I said this before we signed him. His speed is a 6. His ball control is an 8. His vision is a 7. His finishing is a 6. His touch is a 7. He will never be a Valeri or blanco on the offensive side if the ball. He will never be a muhktar. He is highly overrated. And unless you are going to put out a front 3 that are equal or better than his ability, he becomes a overpaid 8.
An 8? Lol. He is a 10 and nothing else. You really see him as a box to box? Our best 8 is Paredes then maybe Ymmi or Santi but not Evander
You do realize he played as an 8 in Europe right? That's the position he always played. WE are playing him as a "10" because we want to make him the next "valeri" which is what everyone was asking for. Square peg round hole.
His instinct seems to be to hold up and pass/connect... Coaching might expect something else, but I think I see it. That doesn't bode well for our typical tactics of spray-and-pray, and counters. Without support, he is on an island. That has to be frustrating for the player.
Yeah, I can see it in his body language. As a matter of fact, even the commentator for the game said he could see Evander getting frustrated with his teammates. And that was 15 minutes into the game. So you can tell it is a lingering feeling. I asked this question early in the season. Does anyone else think that Evander is regretting coming to mls? Cause his body language on the ball says he does. Like he didn't realize that the Talent around him was going to be so poor. I was saying this to my gf. "Evander is not a 10. He is not a Valeri replacement. I knew exactly what his strengths and weaknesses were before joining is and I wasn't high on them trying to make him a 10. He is a player that needs talented attackers in front of him for his strengths to shine. Maintaining possession and creating opportunities for others to score. But this isn't Europe. We have a salary cap. Meaning he doesn't have the talent in front of him to have his strengths shine." End quote.
Valeri and blanco could make individual magic happen in their prime. They weren't reliant on others to score goals. Evander is. He isn't a scorer, he is an assist machine but we don't have the talent to finish and we don't have one player with individual magic ability like prime Valeri and blanco. We are far from it.
Yeah, it is a hot take. But BJ was put in a tough spot and actually shown something over two matches that's he not just an assistant. As for Vargas, he's never coached senior ball, period. I don't want a guy who has only coaches youth level. Personally, I want a coach that has nothingto do with Grabavoy or anyboy in this organization. We need a fresh start.
The only thing that matters between the youth and senior teams is the psychological side of the game and how that translates to the egos of the adult players. That is the only thing I would worry about with him as coach. In the youth game you don't have the big ego's. So can you handle the older players and pre-maddonas. But let's put it this way cause that seemed to be your argument against vargas. He coaches a youth team. Didn't Caleb porter also coach "youth" players before becoming our coach and winning us a championship is 2015?
Re: Porter. He got fired from Col. He's like Kreis - the league has passed him by. Honestly, do you think Porter could survive in MLS today? Look, I like Varas but youth football is not the same as senior level. I do not want to have a manager in training. It is one thing to learn abot league rules and the travel demands, etc. Quite another to go from coaching youth to adults. I do think you are unestimated youth vs senior football. But we can agree to disagree.
Porter won a championship with Columbus. Porter got fired because of results and mostly his attitude. There are plenty of coaches still in the league that have been fired from teams and find another and succeed. Coaches that have never won 2 championships like porter. I fail to understand your argument.
Gio spends so much time yapping at the refs, he should be coaching instead
Now finish it in style ref with 3 minutes of stoppage time.
Unbelievable
This ref needs to have his whistle taken away from him. I don't wanna equalize this way. The missed pk is bad enough.
DOGSO
Perfect
Hmm. I think he may actually have missed that one. What a ref.
He actually used VAR this time? What a tool.
Red too little too late even if it stands
Honestly a draw would have been as bad as this loss. We need 3 pts. from almost every game. We're really going to leak goals whem McGraw leaves. Bottom of table finish more likely than playoffs at this point.
I thought we had escaped the wooden spon. But unless we get draws/wins while he's away, I'm afraid we're back in contention. Transfer window opens July 5. That cb better sign right on that day and play like immediately.
Well at least all our attacking talent has been taken off.
Chicago: Subs in Kamara
Portland: Goda.
Guess we could see it coming.
Bravo sure as hell couldn't
It's like watching a Timbers game over and over and over again. Recurring nightmare.
Groundhog Day. We've seen this movie repeatedly tast few seasons.
Wow. If we lose at home to this team...holy cow. At this point we need 2 goals for this to not be a disaster.
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SWIWS!
SAIEW
Embarrassing.
Wow
Welp
I'd prefer a GM with guts and insight. And a good scoring network.
And an owner with enough humility to know he can't cut it in today's MLS.
I think this ref's idol is Unkel and not Collina.
I have a feeling this bs is going to be rewarded with like a 4 minute stoppage time. The ref has been decidedly bad tonight.
Well played.
This ref has lost the plot
He likes to be the plot.
I think Bingham is showing us more and more why he's not only a backup but why he's also better appreciated when he only plays in small doses. This game is one too many games that I want to see him play.
Barf. It’s going to be a draw if not worse.
Hey Gio if we're in search of points, then why bring on Goda? Since when has the guy scored all thse goals that we're looking for when he was a regular starter? If we're playing our best football, explain last week's "thriller" against SJ? "Playing our best" - I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Is Bali not 90 fit? He seems a lot more likely to score than Niezgoda.
Hate to see him go off. He creates possession with his dropping back and winning the ball. Far more valuable out there.
Boli that is.
So much more style than substance for Evander tonight. Hope it's not his defining characteristic.
Couldn’t get a shot out of that. Disappointing
Evander. Dude. Maybe a case of too many options? But seriously...not even a shot on that? FUUUUUUck
Jesus Evander get rid of it
Gah. Brilliant run from Evander spoiled.
Evander: Almost good.
Yikes, Evander.
What a joke
Oh goodness, Bingham. Gotta learn to catch the ball. You can tell why he's a backup in this league. Lacks athleticism and inconsistent decision making.
His distribution is also, um, a work in progress. Nowhere near a modern keeper.
You'll be surprised at the number of folks - especially among American coaches and some Brits - that apparently depise the "modern keeper".
Is Gio one of them?
Good question. Ask our GK coach. I do think Ivacic distributes pretty well and is decent with his feet - another skill that Bingham doesn't possess.