Story of the match for me was Mabs, Mabs, Mabs...all match long. And nothing positive from his performance other than I'm sure Cincy is real happy he's started. Frustrating given the number of chances we created and it does seem like Evander is being integrated - thank god - into the attack. I am also real happy with how Apsrilla's come back strong from the injury list. We still have work to do. To be honest, am both encouraged by the attack and yet disappointed that we didn't get a result. Basically, we need points.
Just checked on twitter. Fwiw, Rifer reports that some Polish source - which broke the news that were were after Niezgoda - states we're looking at a Slovokian cb from Lech Poznan. Reportedly it is Lubomir Satka. Given it is the Polish league, probably a moneyball signing. But what else to expect when we made the big money deal with Evander? Tis disappointing for sure given that if we had offleaded Mabs several seasons ago or just gotten rid of the dead weigh this offseason, we'd have more money to spend. I only hope whoever they get if the rumore are true can come in and play immediately. Compete for starter or at least let us play 352. I dunno but we really need a first rate cb who can teach McGraw. Zuparaic is fine but he does have a ceiling, I'll admit. I guess it is just "pray hard".
Anyone who has more info on the rumored signing or just has Polish connections, please chime in. I have nothing else and I'm not a Polish league expert.
Ryan Clarke has a Timbers source that said this report was inaccurate. With that said, I hope it’s not because we desperately need a center back. I wanted Mabiala to be our fifth choice CB for this year, not our third choice. It’s no bueno, he gives up goals every time he’s on the field
The attack is rounding into form. Our young guys still get buck fever when THAT moment comes but they're fun to watch. This defense though is going to keep dragging them down. Would have liked a draw.
Fuck Chapman. Cinci lies on the turf for 3 minutes and he gives an extra 20 seconds or so? Thought he was doing a good job till the end. Guess he wants to get home.
Frankly I'm starting to feel pretty negative about Evander. Maybe he's just not fully fit yet. He's played some great balls, clearly has vision and technique. But his work rate in the attack is poor and he doesn't defend. I'm fine with him not getting stuck in, whatever. But he just isn't running at all to find the ball and create. Totally waiting for the game to come to him. Playing a bit like an old school #10 and this just isn't that game anymore. Idk. Comparing to other top playmakers, he's got the ability but I want to see some urgency
As the game went on Evander slipped into the Williamson role and was doing that exclusively at the end. He looked a lot better when he was out in that space instead of working near a crowded box. He looked good doing it. Maybe that's the answer for him.
Work rate?! Look, he's trying to find people to pass to. Most of our guys right now barely get into position to receive the ball much less get into any sort of dangerous position, period. Notice how Asprilla and Evander were working together. If you want a study in negative work rate - try Mabs. And look, this league is one of few in which number 10s work. Just have to integrate them into the attack. And last but not least, today Evander was playing more forward along side Boli. He should be playing centrally. Let the offense flow through him. The team needs to play more off him.
Agreed he was. But we bought him essentially hoping he would replicate what mukhtar has done for Nashville. Evander hasn't yet shown that kind of danger. I hope he'll get there. He currently is not driving at goal or looking like a threat to score. Agree with Mr C below--not exactly looking like prime Valeri
Expecting him to look like prime Valeri in his fourth start of the season after coming back from injury is setting yourself up for disappointment. Even with him not quite meshing with the team and league yet, we are most dangerous when he’s on the ball in the final third
Ftp ain't here so you are taking on the role that the Timbers ain't broke and they don't make mistakes. I said it when we signed Evander. He doesn't have what it takes to be a 10 like Valeri. I was hoping but he doesn't go at teams or create magic like prime Valeri. He is good at picking a pass and has good set piece service and ok speed but he isn't going to score goals or do the impossible like Valeri did. Portland spent like most wanted but not on the right player. He ain't the face of the team. He is a support player like weston mckennie
So is our player not getting into dangerous positions on them or the coach? Cause I have been saying that for years. Our players have zero training on positioning and finding spaces. That's coaching.
I agree, not entirely sure what that has to do with Evander -- though I do think the other attacking players don’t quite know how to play with Evander yet. We saw Moreno start to develop more of an understanding with him throughout the game, and they had some very dangerous combinations. I think it will take a little bit for it to fully gel because as you said he’s a different type of 10 than the ones we’ve played with in the past, but I think it will come together eventually and I’m not gonna be worried about it anytime soon
It’s frustrating how narrow we are playing because Evander can pick out any pass he wants, but we don’t take advantage of it. Whenever we’re going forward it feels like our wingers are running to goal -- not vertical, but diagonal from wide to the goal, and we have no width. It then congests the middle and Evander has less space to work with. And yes, as you say, that’s coaching. Evander isn’t being given enough to work with
I think you're hallucinating on the "zero" part. We did have chances but didn't finish. We also had one of the longest steaks in the league of scoring at least 1 goal per match up until a couple weeks ago when we were shut out. Not saying there aren't problems but i still think you should change your name to Mr Hyperbole
We're going to rue our chances. We are actually having a mini breakout with regard to our attack if you count today and last week. And yet, we're struggling to finish right now.
Starting to play a bit better, we look more organized and less frantic. Playing more through Evander and running off him and doing more than just “take ball and run to goal”
Is there a way to teach him to play more off Evander given that he needs runners? Santi right now is trying to play hero ball practially every week and that's not helping us develop a more cohesive attack.
Why did Mabiala start over Miller? Are they trying to lose? He should be released immediately. And Rasmussen is horrible. We need a backup left back who can actually play in this league.
Not a bad idea. Also maybe try playing Evander at his natural position. That might be one of the two big errors Llamosa made. Starting Mabs might be the big one but unless you go 352 or stick someone else at cb...who else other than McGraw? And he's playing fb.
Ok, we pulled one back thanks to Asprilla and Evander. Gotta keep fighting for the result now. Hell, I would be willing to go three in the back and just stuff the midfield if that means Mabs is off.
Do we have defenders? I feel like maybe we could play some ball boys that could also get out run and over commit on the dribble. If it frees up some budget for a forward or whatever I'm cool with just signing like 5 guys on minimum salary and not even learning their names. This is a joke
Our best cb is out and our next best cb is playing fb. Our 3rd choice cb...is playing cb. And screwing up all over the pitch and has basically given Cincy practically all the chances they've had.. Not to mention "leading" the back line. And the guy who's been the worst on the pitch so far is definitely NOT on minimum salary!
Our best cb is out? McGraw started and is still playing. He's already better than Zuparich, mainly due to greater height and speed. Soon he will be much better than Zup, who will still be second best cb until we get help.
I can't blame Ivacic; I just can't. He's under siege and getting no support. And I've heard Mab's name being called out too many times...and not in a positive manner.
Somehow Mabiala has gotten worse and they are playing a high line with him. Suicide. Very lucky not to be down at least two goals. If it were me I'd do anything to get him out of there. Perhaps Mosquera at CB and have Bonilla come in at RB. Desperate times are upon us.
Actually encouraged by the chances we've created. We just need to finish. I really kike Asprilla and Evander on the pitch together. Just a dang shame Williamson is done. I also like Boli's willingness to take shots and to just be basically aggressive iin the box.
Well, according to the commentators...we're just not tall enough to finish off those balls. Me? We kinda suck at finishing, mostly. Just look at our striker stiuation.
Can we shitcan the McGraw at fb? He's a cb, period. Let him learn to lead the line if Zuparic is out. Just keep Mabs off the field anyway possible. Hell, call up an academy kid or T2 player - surely we have someone - and play him.
Is it Slaton or St. Aubin commentating...sounds like Danielle? Anyway, Girl - any Timbers fan know Mabs is easy to mess with. Really, most of us are thrilled he's 3rd choice bs and would have liked to have seen him put out ot pasture several seasons ago.
Tata Martino wants to come back to mls. Yo mp any ambition left?
Story of the match for me was Mabs, Mabs, Mabs...all match long. And nothing positive from his performance other than I'm sure Cincy is real happy he's started. Frustrating given the number of chances we created and it does seem like Evander is being integrated - thank god - into the attack. I am also real happy with how Apsrilla's come back strong from the injury list. We still have work to do. To be honest, am both encouraged by the attack and yet disappointed that we didn't get a result. Basically, we need points.
Speaking of Mabs, any chance we sign a CB by Monday/ last day of the window?
Just checked on twitter. Fwiw, Rifer reports that some Polish source - which broke the news that were were after Niezgoda - states we're looking at a Slovokian cb from Lech Poznan. Reportedly it is Lubomir Satka. Given it is the Polish league, probably a moneyball signing. But what else to expect when we made the big money deal with Evander? Tis disappointing for sure given that if we had offleaded Mabs several seasons ago or just gotten rid of the dead weigh this offseason, we'd have more money to spend. I only hope whoever they get if the rumore are true can come in and play immediately. Compete for starter or at least let us play 352. I dunno but we really need a first rate cb who can teach McGraw. Zuparaic is fine but he does have a ceiling, I'll admit. I guess it is just "pray hard".
Anyone who has more info on the rumored signing or just has Polish connections, please chime in. I have nothing else and I'm not a Polish league expert.
Ryan Clarke has a Timbers source that said this report was inaccurate. With that said, I hope it’s not because we desperately need a center back. I wanted Mabiala to be our fifth choice CB for this year, not our third choice. It’s no bueno, he gives up goals every time he’s on the field
They could sign Melania Trump and she'd be better than Mabiala (Yes, I know she's Slovenian and not Slovakian, but I know exactly 0 Slovakians).
The attack is rounding into form. Our young guys still get buck fever when THAT moment comes but they're fun to watch. This defense though is going to keep dragging them down. Would have liked a draw.
After the Vancouver game any attack is good
Fuck Chapman. Cinci lies on the turf for 3 minutes and he gives an extra 20 seconds or so? Thought he was doing a good job till the end. Guess he wants to get home.
Missed chances. Could be tied or we're winning with better finishing. Not a bad performance, but frustrating in just the wrong ways.
Ok, did anyone else's Apple ffeed go down for a minute? I just got back on..
All the TVs at Chill n fill too
Yes me too
Affirm
Eeek
Frankly I'm starting to feel pretty negative about Evander. Maybe he's just not fully fit yet. He's played some great balls, clearly has vision and technique. But his work rate in the attack is poor and he doesn't defend. I'm fine with him not getting stuck in, whatever. But he just isn't running at all to find the ball and create. Totally waiting for the game to come to him. Playing a bit like an old school #10 and this just isn't that game anymore. Idk. Comparing to other top playmakers, he's got the ability but I want to see some urgency
As the game went on Evander slipped into the Williamson role and was doing that exclusively at the end. He looked a lot better when he was out in that space instead of working near a crowded box. He looked good doing it. Maybe that's the answer for him.
Yeah i mean... Williamson does about as much as Evander has been doing for less millions.
Work rate?! Look, he's trying to find people to pass to. Most of our guys right now barely get into position to receive the ball much less get into any sort of dangerous position, period. Notice how Asprilla and Evander were working together. If you want a study in negative work rate - try Mabs. And look, this league is one of few in which number 10s work. Just have to integrate them into the attack. And last but not least, today Evander was playing more forward along side Boli. He should be playing centrally. Let the offense flow through him. The team needs to play more off him.
I think he’s been one of our better players today
Agreed he was. But we bought him essentially hoping he would replicate what mukhtar has done for Nashville. Evander hasn't yet shown that kind of danger. I hope he'll get there. He currently is not driving at goal or looking like a threat to score. Agree with Mr C below--not exactly looking like prime Valeri
Expecting him to look like prime Valeri in his fourth start of the season after coming back from injury is setting yourself up for disappointment. Even with him not quite meshing with the team and league yet, we are most dangerous when he’s on the ball in the final third
That's fair. He did have some great flicks and things. I'm probably being too eager.
Ftp ain't here so you are taking on the role that the Timbers ain't broke and they don't make mistakes. I said it when we signed Evander. He doesn't have what it takes to be a 10 like Valeri. I was hoping but he doesn't go at teams or create magic like prime Valeri. He is good at picking a pass and has good set piece service and ok speed but he isn't going to score goals or do the impossible like Valeri did. Portland spent like most wanted but not on the right player. He ain't the face of the team. He is a support player like weston mckennie
Yeah, he’s a different player. I just said I thought he’s been good today. Almost every good attack we had went through him
So is our player not getting into dangerous positions on them or the coach? Cause I have been saying that for years. Our players have zero training on positioning and finding spaces. That's coaching.
I agree, not entirely sure what that has to do with Evander -- though I do think the other attacking players don’t quite know how to play with Evander yet. We saw Moreno start to develop more of an understanding with him throughout the game, and they had some very dangerous combinations. I think it will take a little bit for it to fully gel because as you said he’s a different type of 10 than the ones we’ve played with in the past, but I think it will come together eventually and I’m not gonna be worried about it anytime soon
It’s frustrating how narrow we are playing because Evander can pick out any pass he wants, but we don’t take advantage of it. Whenever we’re going forward it feels like our wingers are running to goal -- not vertical, but diagonal from wide to the goal, and we have no width. It then congests the middle and Evander has less space to work with. And yes, as you say, that’s coaching. Evander isn’t being given enough to work with
I think you're hallucinating on the "zero" part. We did have chances but didn't finish. We also had one of the longest steaks in the league of scoring at least 1 goal per match up until a couple weeks ago when we were shut out. Not saying there aren't problems but i still think you should change your name to Mr Hyperbole
You should change your name to delusional shill
Alvas!!!!
We're going to rue our chances. We are actually having a mini breakout with regard to our attack if you count today and last week. And yet, we're struggling to finish right now.
Case in point: Ayala heading the ball high when he should have easily scored. In fact, he wasn't alone on bad headers.
Starting to play a bit better, we look more organized and less frantic. Playing more through Evander and running off him and doing more than just “take ball and run to goal”
O Santi
Is there a way to teach him to play more off Evander given that he needs runners? Santi right now is trying to play hero ball practially every week and that's not helping us develop a more cohesive attack.
Why did Mabiala start over Miller? Are they trying to lose? He should be released immediately. And Rasmussen is horrible. We need a backup left back who can actually play in this league.
Evander needs more runners off him, he can find anyone making any run. We need to take advantage of his wand of a right foot more often
Someone like Nathan?
Not a bad idea. Also maybe try playing Evander at his natural position. That might be one of the two big errors Llamosa made. Starting Mabs might be the big one but unless you go 352 or stick someone else at cb...who else other than McGraw? And he's playing fb.
:)
Ok, we pulled one back thanks to Asprilla and Evander. Gotta keep fighting for the result now. Hell, I would be willing to go three in the back and just stuff the midfield if that means Mabs is off.
What a ball from Evander! And Asprilla is our most goal dangerous attacker!
My hero! Asprilla is Mr Timbers
Lot of ball watching. Poor Jazzy diving all over the place doing what he can.
Do we have defenders? I feel like maybe we could play some ball boys that could also get out run and over commit on the dribble. If it frees up some budget for a forward or whatever I'm cool with just signing like 5 guys on minimum salary and not even learning their names. This is a joke
Our best cb is out and our next best cb is playing fb. Our 3rd choice cb...is playing cb. And screwing up all over the pitch and has basically given Cincy practically all the chances they've had.. Not to mention "leading" the back line. And the guy who's been the worst on the pitch so far is definitely NOT on minimum salary!
Our best cb is out? McGraw started and is still playing. He's already better than Zuparich, mainly due to greater height and speed. Soon he will be much better than Zup, who will still be second best cb until we get help.
You don't say.
I can't blame Ivacic; I just can't. He's under siege and getting no support. And I've heard Mab's name being called out too many times...and not in a positive manner.
Ayala was fading this time last game. He still has energy thus far today
How do you leave THREE guys unmarked at the far post? I mean…great run by Barreal, but, Jesus wept!
Really stoked about Ayala
Holy toledo, Batman! Stop playing the high line! I repeat: stop playing a high line! Especially when Mabs is on the field!
Time for second gear
Acid Green! Sweet!
Somehow Mabiala has gotten worse and they are playing a high line with him. Suicide. Very lucky not to be down at least two goals. If it were me I'd do anything to get him out of there. Perhaps Mosquera at CB and have Bonilla come in at RB. Desperate times are upon us.
Just move Miller to cb where he has played regularly and put Bonilla at rb.
Agreed. Bonilla would have been a better choice.
I'm not really watched Miller much; is he mobile enough to play cb at this point in his career?
More mobile than mabiala
One thing that is a super positive is the attack is alive and well. The final product on the other hand, not so much.
Well, the boys should keep their heads up. It's not like we aren't making plays
Actually encouraged by the chances we've created. We just need to finish. I really kike Asprilla and Evander on the pitch together. Just a dang shame Williamson is done. I also like Boli's willingness to take shots and to just be basically aggressive iin the box.
How have we not scored?
Evander and Ayala are not the two guys we want trying to score with their head. That should be Asprilla and Boli
Well, according to the commentators...we're just not tall enough to finish off those balls. Me? We kinda suck at finishing, mostly. Just look at our striker stiuation.
Can we shitcan the McGraw at fb? He's a cb, period. Let him learn to lead the line if Zuparic is out. Just keep Mabs off the field anyway possible. Hell, call up an academy kid or T2 player - surely we have someone - and play him.
OMG. We need to practice headers.
Ayala no my boy...
We're not playing 11v11; it's 12v11. You can guess who's the guy in the light blue shirt who is playing for Cincy.
12v 10 then mabs is a zero
They've gone at him all game and found the goal. Got to make a change ASAP.
That’s one goal on Mabiala yet again. He gives up at least one every time he’s on the field
There has to be like a 16 year old we can play instead of Mabiala right? I mean how much worse could it be?
Defense gave away too much space as usual and Chara didn't close down fast enough. Ouch.
way to stick with your mabiala
Bummer
Gotta bury that man. Damn. Too casual.
I'm really digging Aprilla-Evander connection. just wish we could convert.
Arg so close!!
You can tell Mabs is in given how disorganized our back line is. MIA right now and let's not forget the clearances, too! Ugh!
I guess Zac being in that particular part of the field wasn't such a good idea
Miller in at the half?
Thank you Ivacic!
Thanks to the shooter for being selfish too. Yikes, wide open on the other side.
Is it Slaton or St. Aubin commentating...sounds like Danielle? Anyway, Girl - any Timbers fan know Mabs is easy to mess with. Really, most of us are thrilled he's 3rd choice bs and would have liked to have seen him put out ot pasture several seasons ago.
Mabiala should have saved that yellow for later
I'm mixed on if it might be good if he's unavailable for rotation or if given our injury history, basically grind down our cb corps to nothing.
I wish we could have kept Bill and shipped Mabs. That said, this side with Zup and Bravo back in almost feels exciting
Oh Mabs, how I don't miss you playing regularly.
Mabs being on a yellow with lots of game left is not ideal, think they may sub in Miller?
Please put away your chances! Ugh