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O wow we got plundered.

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What bothers me is we have an international center back, who has barely played since he got here. What's the deal with Araujo? Is there a plan for him? Is this another recruit who doesn't quite fit the system here (assuming we have a system)?

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Oct 8, 2023·edited Oct 8, 2023

This is so simple. Like borderline insanity. I will explain it in the most basic terms.

WE CANNOT......LET ME REPEAT THAT........CANNOT..... have our outside backs pushing high up the field with a midfield 3 of Evander, Acosta, and Moreno. Neither Evander or Moreno are good defensively. Both players like to push up and leave space in the midfield for easy line breaking passes. Now imagine. You have Moreno pushing. Evander pushing. Outsidebacks pushing. And our front 3 poaching around the box. Paredes and chara give cover for a roaming Evander. Paredes and Acosta give cover for a roaming Moreno.

Evander and Moreno are not defense first 8's. they aren't great at ball winning. They occupy space, they don't close it down. Now that is not their fault. They play to there strengths. But that means that the first tactical plan (because we were without chara and Paredes and went attacking and transition heavy in the midfield) should have been to tell bravo and masquera to stay deeper and limit overlapping runs, if any. Miller would have been a better choice in this game scenario. Like I said in other posts. If you are going to play attacking first midfielders you need traditional outside backs, Playing a traditional role.

As an example.

4-3-3 can be played when two of the midfield three are defense first. Then you can allow wingbacks to push up and the two "defensive" minded players (defense minded means they think about defensive position first, rather than being offense first. Not that they are great at playing defense) will see that space being vacated and slide over to plug that gap. Neither Moreno or Evander do that. They always think offense first. Which means we should have told bravo and masquera to sit deeper and limit going forward. Especially when you have mabiala in the game. We all know he can't track back. He can step up but of he is beat on that step, it's like watching a baby chase a dog around the house. I can't believe MJ didn't keep the wingbacks back.

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Well, yeah. So that happened.

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This game reminds me of the Hou match. We came out flat and got killed. Against LAG, we relaxed and let them back in after Paredes went down. I mentioned that we needed work on our being composed and focused for a full 90. Today we didn't do anything of the sort. This match does indicate to me that MJ still needs development before he can be a head coach. Just not sure we are the right place for him to get that first gig. We actually ned a more expereinced hand. And since our owner comes with baggage, might as well look for a coach with a bit of history? How about Miguel Herrera?

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They just showed that Portland had a higher expected goals number. Hard to believe that.

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I don't intend to ever speak about this game again. The only positive thing that happened was ruining their clean sheet.

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I hope this cools the Miles Joseph is the next coach talk. His hot streak came crashing down tonight.

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Oct 8, 2023·edited Oct 8, 2023

The Timbers don't get pissed off when they are getting their butts kicked. I'm used to seeing teams start to play a little more physical in retaliation. Where's the pride?

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Afraid Ridgy hasn't had the impact we hoped for on the back..let him go be an ass't for Villa or Birmingham

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Miserable, uninspiring soccer. Soft defense, bad passes, hard feet, losing most 50/50 balls.

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I thought Montreal might be a little flat after playing a midweek game.

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Maybe unfair but that's 2 lapses from OM, and #29 played too loose and allowed the cross

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Bingham was the only one to run towards that loose ball. The. Only. One.

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Oct 8, 2023·edited Oct 8, 2023

And let's just pile on: Alaska Air isn't renewing sponsorship of Timbers next season. Maybe it was the pink jerseys. But everyone knows why: MP.

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So is Montreal making playoffs? Seems like they might beat out Miami.

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I don't know what hot garbage looks like but I'm guessing it looks like how we're playing

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Bubble had to burst at some point, right? But OM didn't help him at all

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Too much space, and come on Bingham. Gotta protect that side.

Still, hell of a shot.

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Where is our midfield on that goal?

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Nobody came out to pick up the shooter. Ugh.

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The party's over, over, over.Definitely not their night.

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Nobody's running behind the D to receive a pass, leaving the only option for defenders to drive the baseline

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Looks like we're settling for #9 slot (if we're lucky)

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Glad to see coach sub out evander..he was virtually invisible..no hustle or creativity

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Anyone else in favor of subbing out Mabs? Maybe Bravo given he looks like on the verge of collapse. And maybe sit Bingham just to see if Sulte has made any porgression. Otherwise, how long til Diego can play again?

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Man, Quioto has been a Timbers killer over the years.

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Two games ago Mabiala was man of match. This comment section being an echo chamber of hate for him is as annoying as it is exhausting. JDM has no close down defense at all. It constantly draws our CBs to the outside to cover for him and then he doesn’t overlap and hold down the middle. Bravo playing under MJ has had the same issue. Both of these things, combined with having absolutely zero presence at CDM, means it really doesn’t matter who is in there at CB. McGraw looked like absolute hell last game. Both he and Zup did. We just happened to squeak by with barely enough offense to make up for horseshit defending.

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It's the Gio disease, and Miles can't shake it — playing fullbacks too far up pitch. Why against a team that relies on the counter to score?

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We look like we partied too much between games and figure we could just roll over this guys. Well, we've rolled over alright.

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Oct 8, 2023·edited Oct 8, 2023

To add on top of our defensive lapses...Bingham hasn't been great either. Feels like he could have done more.

Edit: Yes, I get the 2nd was a deflection, but in the lead up he was too stationary. And I was talking about both goals.

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defense has no desire to man-up around the box. Inexcusable to be caught ball-watching repeatedly while down 0-2

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They look like they've given up. C'mon halftime.

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Shooting gallery..blow the f'g whistle

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I hope we acquire the first new head coach to require the the team to play defense. To much frustration over the years.

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Bravo looks sedated

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So what happened to the team from last week? We've already given up two goals to one of the weakest teams in the East - with a playoff berth on the line. We've reverted back to bad old Timbers. What gives? Besides Mabs playing and being down one D Chara.

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Am I crazy or did they flip Zup and Mabs...and why?

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Bravo looked gassed on that goal. Too early for that.

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Well that was bullshit defending.

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SWIWS

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#30 for MON has missed 3 now..meanwhile, Evander needs some hustle and to show more for his mates

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Stop playing such a high line, already!! And someone tell Mabs to stay back...way back. Actually just tell the whole back line to stay back.

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Oct 8, 2023·edited Oct 8, 2023

Zup - oops. But also a failure to close down wide...again.

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Not great by the back line. Not great.

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Maybe he's offside but that's a great counter.

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well, poop

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Have we ever played decent in the pink/red jersey? It's like a curse.

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TIL Ariel Lassiter is Roy Lassiter's kid.

/themoreyouknow dot gif

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No idea why that wasn't a card. Two handed shove in the back as retaliation.

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