Community Discussion Post: Bad vibes in PTFC-land
The vibes around both the Timbers and the Thorns are trending downward.
It’s rare that both the Portland Timbers and Portland Thorns find themselves in the same place vibes-wise. The Thorns are usually hitting the heights of scoring goals for fun and winning championships, while the Timbers usually… aren’t.
So that’s what makes the past few weeks around both PTFC clubs so surprising and so worrying. The Timbers are mired in a poor run of form, and they have one of their highest-profile players declining to show up for training. And the Thorns, without their contingent of World Cup stars, have lost three in row in all competitions.
Granted, the Thorns are in a much better place in the table compared to the Timbers (2nd vs 12th) and have much more clear and navigable reasons for their downturn (get their world-class stars back vs. whatever the hell is going on with the boys).
But the end result at the moment is the same for both clubs: the vibes are not great and are trending downward.
Let’s run through the reasons for the bad vibes for both clubs in a little more detail:
Timbers
Just one win since May 13, and seven points from their last nine games (0.77 ppg)
Just five goals scored since May 13
Multiple 4-1 losses since May 13
12th place in the West, still adrift from the playoff line
Santiago Moreno reportedly requesting a transfer due to frustration with the Timbers coaching staff and organization, and then failing to report to training on Monday
General uninspired play on the field
Few positive signs that a turnaround might be coming soon
Thorns
Three losses in a row in all competitions (first three-game losing streak since 2015)
Two losses in a row at home
Third in their UKG NWSL Challenge Cup group, with long odds to advance to the knockout rounds
Just one goal scored since the departure of World Cup players, and outscored by a margin of 4-1 in those three games
Disjointed and slow attacking sequences, contributing to the prior point
Like I said, the odds that the Thorns pull out of this skid are higher than the Timbers — probably by some margin. But as a fan (and blogger) of the squads, it really is a bummer to look at the spot both teams are in at the moment, even if this all winds up being just a short-term rough patch.
But I’ll turn it over to you, dear reader. What are your thoughts on the vibes around the the clubs right now? What needs to happen for each team to pull out of their respective skids? Will both of them pull out of it, or just one of them? If so, which one will? (I might already know your answer to that one).
We’re in a tough moment in PTFC-land. So let’s get through it the best way us Stumptown Footy people know how: together (in the comment section). Comment away!
There are two things that need to happen to revitalize the Timbers:
- Gio's gotta go
- MP's gotta sell
The latter will not happen any time soon, and without that, I fear that the former will not happen either. I have never been an MP fan, and the sooner he cashes in his daddy's investment and goes somewhere else, the better off this club will be. The Timbers are stagnating, ownership doesn't care, and I don't see a clear pathway out of it until ownership changes.
As for Gio, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bringing a new coach in with this squad won't automatically turn the Timbers into a good team overnight; this roster has a ceiling, for sure. But a new coach, with new training methodologies and new ideas, might be the breath of fresh air that the Timbers need after six years of Gio, and might turn some of the desperately poor and hard to watch 4-1 losses into interesting 3-2 losses or draws, or maybe even the occasional win.
This off season is going to be the most important one in the Timbers' MLS existence. Lots of money coming off the books, so lots of non-DP cap space to be used. Ned's got a good reputation among his MLS peers, so let's see if they're right. I'm actually very excited about this offseason, it's a great chance for the team to basically reinvent itself. I hope they do.
I’ve been one of the most vocal “Gio isn’t the problem” people in various comment sections around the Timber-sphere in the last couple years. Honestly, until recently I didn’t think he was a problem at all.
And then Moreno happened. And that happened on the heals of the Ivacic incident that got quietly sidestepped.
He has lost the locker room. It’s time for a change.